Iveco 80.17W Crew Cab wheelbase modification and camper conversion

[4×4-mariaParticipant Posts: 6]

Ciao a tutti,

sorry that I’m writing in english, but my italian language is not so good.

2 years ago I decided to buy a Iveco 80.17W crew cab from french firefighters which will be converted into a family camping car. I like this car. Total weight of 7,49t can be realised, nice 170hp IVECO turbo engine and a very good off road capabilty.

In Germany this truck is nearly unknown, so specialised IVECO partners are rare. Are there any technical problems  with this truck? I heard sometimes the axles can be damaged. Is this right? Sometimes transfer case is a problem? Are there specialised parts dealers for ACM / PC in Italy?

After dismounting firefighting equippment I will extend wheelbase to 3800mm (similar to military ACM). So a cabine with about 4m length could be mounted on the truck. See attached picture.

But for this project I need additonal crossmembers. Is there anybody who wants to sell this parts?

Regards

Raphaele

[4×4-mariaParticipant Posts: 6]

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[beboParticipant Posts: 152]

ciao , ho allertato un amico che ha un mezzo simile al tuo ,

[vasilijParticipant Posts: 122]

Hi again Raphaele,

as I told you, I own a Fiat 75pc. It is quite similar to yours, even if there are some important differences. The main difference is the engine (mine is 5200cc naturally aspirated with 122HP, while yours is 5700cc turbo compressed with 170HP). Gearbox is different (75pc is told to have a more problematic gearbox, even if I never had any problems about it). Transfer case and axles are the same. I have never heard of problems on axles, the appearance of these portal axles is very huge, even if compared with Unimog U1300 ones.

I think (but I need confirmation on this point) that axles are the same to the ones mounted on Magirus-Deutz 130 FAL (I opened a topic on this section about that truck). Maybe the magirus is better known in Germany than the iveco.

About spare parts, as ACM is an italian military truck, spare parts can be found easily. There are many commerciant in military dismitted truck or spares, but at the moment I have not any experience on them. But, when I had some problems a normal iveco workshop had all the parts available as new (I don’t know if ALL the parts are available presently or I have been lucky on that).

Remember that your version is not the military one and some minor spare parts may vary (for example, interior parts such as the dashboard).

About the wheelbase, what is your present wheelbase? I believed that the 80.17 had the wheelbase of the ACM, but now I think I was wrong. And what kind of tyres has it?

Mine is 2.75m wheelbase and it has a very good turning diameter. I think all the truck of that age are not comparable with more modern trucks in terms of manovrability, but Iveco always puts its efforts in develop this point, and I think that even with 3.8m wheelbase the truck is still a lot of fun.

It is all for the moment, I cannot teach a lot, but we can share our experiences so that we both will understand more on the truck itself.

Take care

Andrea

 

[vasilijParticipant Posts: 122]

Ah, sorry, I can’t understand what a crossmember stands for. Is it for the rack, for the cabine or (maybe) for the extended frame part?

[ilticoParticipant Posts: 299]

Hallo Raphaele, herzlichen Glückwunsch zu deinem Truck.

Ich schreibe dir in deiner Sprache, weil mein Englisch schlecht ist.
Iveco ist ein schöner LKW, aber es ist altmodisch.
Sagten mir, dass die Trommelbremsen nicht gut sind, haben keine automatische Registrierung und wenig bremsen, man muss  häufig manuell aufzeichen.
Auf der Straße sind die Blattfedern zu stark und es ist zuviel laut, aber mit die Portalachsen ist es ein sehr guete Lkw für Offroad, auch wenn es keine frontal Differentialsperre hat.

Guete Arbeit un schoene Reise.

Tschuess, iltico.

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[4×4-mariaParticipant Posts: 6]

Hi everybody,

1000 grazie per le risposte.

Vasilij, the Magirus 130FAL is also very rare in Germany. I don’t know the quantitiy, but I’ve never seen one of these vehicles. But I think you are right. The axles should be the same as in the Fiat PC / Iveco ACM. Do you know the manufacterer of these axles? Are they produced directly by Fiat / Iveco?

 

The acutual wheelbase is 3200mm. Tyresize is 365/80R20. Perhaps I will change size to 365/85R20. My camping box should offer enough space for 4-5 persons – 2 beds and a dinette which can be transformed into a sleeping berth- kitchen and a bathroom. So the cabin length should be about 3800 -4000mm. On the following draft I put a 3900mm camping box on chassis with wheelbase 3800mm.

 

I think this concept is good. Surely the manovrability will not be as good as with the shorter wheelbase.

The ACM of italian army has a wheebase of 3700mm. If I check the chassis of ACM in the spare parts system there are 6 crossmembers (italian word should be traversa) behind the gearbox. See following picture. My chassis has only 4 crossmembers, so I need 2 additonal crossmembers and also a new rear crossmember because the existing one is damaged.

 

Ciao Raphaele

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[4×4-mariaParticipant Posts: 6]

Ciao Iltico,

brake adjustment is a typical Iveco problem 😀

I will see… Nearly every vehicle with about 30 years needs a extensive maintanance.

2 weeks ago the truck passed annual german technical check without any problem. So I’m optimistic 😆

Noise is a problem. But also this problem is solvable…and also a Unimog 1300 is not a quiet car.

 

Regards

 

Raphaele

[vasilijParticipant Posts: 122]

Ciao Raphaele,

I think the axles are made directly from Iveco, but I’m not 100% sure. The military front axle has a window covered by a sheet rectangular cap. If you want the front lock, it would be very easy: a pneumatic actuator of the same type of the one mounted on the rear axle lock can be assembled on the axle.

If you’ll need that feature, you should verify the predisposition on your axle (or change the axle with a military spare, verifying the correct ratio).

For the crossmembers, personally I would find a dismitted vehicle. I don’t know if you can find them as spares by today.

The problem on the internet is that italian commerciants in military stuff rarely put any prices. The best would probably be travel to their place and negotiate a good price for the spares you need, considering that they have to take from army whole lots of trucks, not all functional.

Andrea

[ilticoParticipant Posts: 299]

Hallo Raffaele.
Heute bin ich nach Ferri Corse gegangen.
Es ist auf dem Weg zur Arbeit.
Er hat mir gesacht, dass siend keine Probleme mit ACM-ersatzeilen, ruf mal.
Schreib mir, wenn du nach Mailand komme, so koennen wir einen Aperitif trinken.

Ciao, iltico.

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[4×4-mariaParticipant Posts: 6]

Ciao Iltico,

 

1000 Grazie.

Potrebbe essere che vengo presto per l’aperitivo

Conosci questa compagnia?

http://military4x4.blogspot.com/2010/06/acm-80-90.html

 

Ciao

 

Raffaele

[ilticoParticipant Posts: 299]

Ne, kenne ich nicht !

Tschuess, iltico

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